Sadira
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Post by Sadira on Apr 27, 2004 18:37:25 GMT -5
I was thinking about how far cartoon female characters have come.The cartoon girls of the past were very passive .In the realm of Disney characters,I think that Jasmine was the turning point.She`s the first princess that didn`t want to marry a prince.She doesn`t have a problem with speaking her mind. Jasmine is much more out going than other princesses.She really wants to be treated like a every day person.
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Post by Sekaino Jasmine on Apr 27, 2004 18:51:14 GMT -5
I totally agree! Jasmine's great! But...I know a lot of people that hate her! And then they criticize me for not liking Cinderella that much. Jasmine is a lot like women are today, so yeah! She's a modern princess!
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Sadira
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Post by Sadira on Apr 27, 2004 19:10:03 GMT -5
Why do they hate Jasmine?! Cindrella is a very nice and humble character ,but the fairy god mother does everything for her. Maybe some people think that Jasmine`s stuck up.Oh ...well ,I don`t know. She will always be one of my favorite Disney girls. In the Aladdin series , she doesn`t seem to depend on Aladdin as much. She was given much spunk.
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Post by Yuki on Apr 27, 2004 19:41:38 GMT -5
Yes, I think that Jasmine is a great character! She is perfect! I don't know why anyone would hate her, but I just love the spunk she has!
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Post by Salukfan on Apr 27, 2004 20:53:47 GMT -5
I like Jasmine, alot. I wouldn't consider her one of my favorites though; some of her spunk in the original felt forced.
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Post by Calluna on Apr 28, 2004 0:20:39 GMT -5
I've only seen Jasmine haters recently; in fact, before, I thought people thought she was a little too perfect (It's what my location is making fun of. ;D ) I guess we're in the backlash. I wish my fandom could find the happy medium for once... I know what you mean, Sammy, about her personality seeming forced. Out-of-story, I know that it's because there was a big controversy at the time about how far they could go with her (for instance, the writers wanted her to break out of the hourglass on her own). In-story... let's just say it's mood swings. She is 16, after all.
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Sadira
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Post by Sadira on Apr 28, 2004 8:21:38 GMT -5
Mood swings?! Forced personality?! I don`t know about that.I think that Disney was trying to create a young woman that could break female stero types.I would enjoy watching Jasmine break out of the hour glass by her own power. Girl Power!!!!! I guess that Disney wanted to save the spunky girl act for Mulan.
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Post by Salukfan on Apr 28, 2004 9:35:36 GMT -5
Jasmine, especially during the sequence with Jafar/Prince Ali/Sultan in the film (where she screams "I am not a prize to be one") is specifically where I feel the forced personality. It comes off as too... I don't know... B*tchy. That's not the right term, and I know that, but it feels as if she's just doing it for the sake of doing it; not that she actually feels that strongly about it. I don't know. Jasmine breaking out of the glass would have felt anti-climatic to me. Besides, we had never seen proof that Jasmine was that adept to be able too. I mean, yeah, she jumped over the gap, but... I think Aladdin had to break her out; there had to be some reason for Sultan to like the guy, afterall. And Jasmine has mood swings. Tons of mood swings. I'm thinking "Elemental, My Dear Jasmine" and "Smolder and Wiser".
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Sadira
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Post by Sadira on Apr 28, 2004 15:57:00 GMT -5
Everyone has different views on the character. I can live with that. Some people take Jasmine`s spunk for being moody,but I don`t. Iam a loyal Jasmine fan! When I was a kid I used to pretend to be Jasmine. I still have my Aladdin dolls! Anyway,I`ll move on to another topic. I don`t like the way Jasmine acted in the Return of Jafar. It`s the scence where she greets Aladdin in the beginning of the movie.I think that they messed up her personality.She`s better in the 3rd movie.We actually get to see Jasmine fight! I loved that part! If she acted like that in the 1st movie ,then I think that breaking out of the hour glass wouldn`t be a problem.
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Post by Salukfan on Apr 28, 2004 16:09:12 GMT -5
Jasmine was much, much too sweet in the beginning of RoJ. Really high pitched voice, scary smile...
And Jasmine knocking the guy out is priceless. I love that guy!
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Post by Calluna on Apr 28, 2004 20:37:33 GMT -5
I guess I should clarify: when I said "mood swings", I didn't mean moody, at least not all the time. I meant her personality doesn't seem very consistent. She's sickeningly sweet at the beginning of RoJ, is pessimistic in some series episodes, is patient at times and at others gets mad over the tiniest little thing... I know that it was mostly because of inconsistent writing, but as a fanfic author, I can't just pick and choose the characterization that I like. So that inconsistency combined with the fact that she's a teenager leads me to the theory that there are hormones involved. ;D Also, there are 2 or 3 years that pass between the first and last movies, so that may also explain why she acts a little differently. I know I wasn't the same person at 19 that I was at 15... Jasmine breaking out of the glass would have felt anti-climatic to me. Besides, we had never seen proof that Jasmine was that adept to be able too. I mean, yeah, she jumped over the gap, but... I think the idea was that the crown Jafar gave her would have diamonds on it instead of being plain gold, and she would have used them to cut herself out.
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Post by Salukfan on Apr 29, 2004 9:18:49 GMT -5
I hate inconsistancy. (See: Rasoul) Oh.... and diamonds. Well, that makes more sense, anyway. But it wouldn't have done much for Aladdin. I mean, would she have gotten the lamp and thrown it to him via-distraction? Or would things have stayed? Meh.
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Post by AladdinsGenie886 on Apr 29, 2004 15:15:46 GMT -5
Jasmine was much, much too sweet in the beginning of RoJ. Really high pitched voice, scary smile... Yes, that was disturbing. It makes me cringe when I watch the movie. It just seemed off. I love Jasmine's personality, though. She is my favorite Disney princess. I like her mood swings and inconsistant emotions. I don't know anyone who is consistant with just one emotion. To me, her constant changing of emotions is not over done to the point where she seems like a totally different person and not believable. She's not always girlie girlie and she's not always mean. Typical teenager I guess. I don't see those same things in the other princesses except for Belle maybe. I too have that constant changing of emotions. The littlest thing can tick me off, but it can almost over joy me. And Jasmine knocking the guy out is priceless. I love that guy! Yeah, lol. That was good. But my favorite attack is when she attacks Abis Mal in "The Vapor Chase" and starts strangling him. Oh.... and diamonds. Well, that makes more sense, anyway. But it wouldn't have done much for Aladdin. I mean, would she have gotten the lamp and thrown it to him via-distraction? Or would things have stayed? Meh. Couldn't she just rub the lamp, become Genie's temporary master, and wish for Jafar to be banished to some land forever or something? I don't know. I think I'm just talking crazy because it's afterschool and I have nothing else to do than talk crazy. Than again, the movie would have been over faster and would have lost that ironic ending.
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Post by Calluna on Apr 29, 2004 21:42:28 GMT -5
I hate inconsistancy. (See: Rasoul) Gah, that's a whole other rant right there. I'll have to take that one to my LJ, because no one else here'd want to see it. ;D Long story short: he had a good character arc going there until the last season and KoT. Then it became more of a character semi-circle. Oh.... and diamonds. Well, that makes more sense, anyway. But it wouldn't have done much for Aladdin. I mean, would she have gotten the lamp and thrown it to him via-distraction? Or would things have stayed? Meh. From how it was worded, I think she'd have broken out about the same time as Aladdin ended up breaking her out. Aladdin still would have defeated Jafar on his own (it's his movie, after all), but Jas'd at least have something to do other than stand there and get rescued. *shrug* Storywise, it doesn't matter to me either way, I just got a little annoyed at the reasoning given for why Aladdin had to break her out: the princess can't save herself, the hero has to save her.
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Sadira
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Post by Sadira on Apr 29, 2004 23:52:59 GMT -5
Oh..well.Jasmine gets to take part in the action of the 3rd movie.At least, she gets to do something.She seems to be much more active in the series.By the way,what do you think of Aladdin? I thought that Aladdin vs Prince Charming would be a good topic.Jasmine and Aladdin are a very different pair. Princess/Street rat?! What does she see in him? They are a contemporary pair,but that`s what I like about them.
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